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Big Talbot Island

  • 28 Mar 06 short update

The following is information we recently received from Warren
Anderson, whose law firm has been working to try and stop the marina
development on Big Talbot. It sounds like at least for this one issue
the developer has been slowed

"On a related note, I heard from CAMA last week that DEP has rejected
developer Chupp's "avulsion" claim on Big Talbot -- the developer was
arguing that his land on Nassau Sound was wet due to avulsion (a
sudden event) rather than erosion. We supplied DEP with a lot of
evidence against that claim and DEP apparently has ruled in our
favor, which should be a major setback to the developer. While that
property is just inside the Duval line, it would dramatically impact
Nassau County if the development becomes a reality."

Jody Hetchka, Big Talbot

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  •    10 May 05 Marina Development

 

This is Warren Anderson of the Anderson & Howell law firm.  I am the legal affairs chair of the Sierra Club and a director of a new organization, the Public Trust Environmental Law Institute of Florida.
 
You have previously indicated an interest in the proposed marina
development up at Big Talbot Island. You can view an aerial photo of the property in question  Click here
 
Our firm has done some initial legal research and met with several people who are knowledgeable about this potential development. 
 
Here is what we know now:
 
The owner of the land is BTI, Ltd. and lists Charles Chupp as a principal.  They state their ownership began in 1989.
 
The developer has asked for a concurrency status from the City of Jacksonville. This is an information gathering process.
 
The developer has also submitted an application to use submerged lands for the construction of the development -- presently called "Island Lodge at Sawpit Creek."  They have listed their project engineer as Henry Vorpe of AVA Engineers, Jacksonville.
 
They propose 97 boat slips in the project described as "a building, an access driveway, parking area, marina, storm water management system, and on-site sewage facility."  Out of a total of 6.58 acres that they own,they propose impacting 2.58 acres of wetlands.  This property is on the north eastern point of Big Talbot Island, just before the bridge leading into Nassau County.  This is one of the most beautiful views in all of Florida.
 
They propose to bulkhead 682 linear feet to stabilize the property.  This,of course, could have disastrous consequences for adjacent areas of the park.

No wildlife survey has been done, neither Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission nor U.S. Fish and Wildlife has been asked to comment on the proposal yet.
 
Since they propose to fill in all of the wetlands, no buffer zone has been proposed by the developer.
 
In their application to use submerged lands over which the developer wants to build their docks and marina, they claim to have met with two named DEEP officials.  The developer maintains that some of their property was "lost" due to an "avulsion" -- which is a sudden and perceptible loss or riparian (waterfront) land.  The developer says the waterfront land was not eroded away, but was lost suddenly when the dune system failed.  Arguing that he lost property due to "avulsion"
rather than through "erosion" the developer has asked DEEP to allow the developer to fill in the wetlands on this small piece of property. For mitigation, the developer will give up his "land" which is waterward of the mean high water line.  Well, our argument is that submerged land waterward of the high water line ALREADY belongs to the people -- through the public trust doctrine....so our firm believes that any discussion of using this submerged land as mitigation for the destruction of onsite wetlands is inappropriate.  We have filed a FOIA (freedom of information) request, demanding that the DEP give us all the files and notes from the meetings between the developer and DEP officials.
 
The area proposed for the 97 slips is over submerged land and that area  s clearly navigable. I myself have kayaked in that exact area.  The Sierra Club has led outings up in that area.  Case law states that "the public has the right to go where the navigable waters go, even though the navigable waters lie OVER privately owned lands."
 
This entire area under discussion sits within the Nassau River -- St. Johns River Marshes Aquatic Preserve. We believe the Jacksonville 2010 Comprehensive Plan prohibits a marina from being built in an Aquatic Preserve.  We believe the developer will have to get the city council to pass a "text amendment" to the Comp Plan to get around this hurdle.  This "text change" should be at least difficult, if not impossible to accomplish.
 
 
WHAT CAN YOU DO RIGHT NOW?
 
The DEP has asked for comments on whether it should recommend allowing the submerged lands to be developed as a marina, etc.  They have asked governmental agencies to comment on this proposal. Since DEP officials have supposedly already given their stamp of approval to the proposal, it would be interesting if a number of citizens, environmental groups, and other governmental officials wrote the DEP and objected to the proposal.  I would recommend that your letters be passionate, yet professional and civil in tone.
 
The address to write is:
 
The Department of Environmental Protection
7825 Baymeadows Way
Suite - B200
Jacksonville, Florida 32256
 
Reference your comments to:  Island Lodge at Sawpit Creek, Big Talbot
Island   DEP #  16-248074-001-EI
 
Your comments should be received by the DEP by May 19.
 
You can also call Andrew Sears at 904.807.3329 or Jim Maher at 904.807.3300 (both with DEP) but I believe it would be preferable to put your objection IN WRITING, as set forth above in my letter.
 
You can ask DEP to send you a copy of the application for use of the submerged lands and a copy of any future changes in the action.  Also request notification of any final agency action on this matter.
 
If you have any further questions please e-mail me.  I am preparing for a trial on another case but will get back in touch with you as soon as possible.  If you write DEP, I sure would appreciate receiving a copy of what you send to them.
 
I hope that helps you understand the status of the development.

Warren K. Anderson, Jr.
Anderson & Howell, P.A.
2029 N. 3rd Street
Jacksonville Beach, Florida 32250

 

  • 01 May 05  Development plan for north end of Big Talbot !

Round two begins!    
Just received a copy of the permit by BTI, Ltd (Charles Chupp) to
develop the Spoonbill Pond area on north end of Big Talbot Island (just
east of the A1A bridge).

Name of Project - Island Lodge at Sawpit Creek

Application #16-248074-001-EI

    His  plan is  to build a restricted membership recreational docking
facility including a building, swimming  pool, 97 wet boat slips, (for
boats with an average length of 65 ft and draft of 5.5 ft), sewage
treatment facility, parking  and more.
This area, aside from being part of the undisturbed view scape of
Nassau Sound, is highlighted as a sight on the Florida Birding Trail.
And although most folks think of this area as part of Big Talbot Island
State Park, obviously it is not protected and in private hands.
    Please call, write, tickle, wheedle, cajole, or otherwise contact
people you know who can influence this decision from personal contacts
with Mr.  Chupp to Jeb (the other Bush).
    We're really not sure where to go from here (we've never been
involved in a situation like this before). But we figure that together
we can come up with a workable plan.
    
    We're not trying to be chicken little's here but we're more than a
little concerned.

You can request  a copy to review from Andrew Sears,  DEP in Jax
904-807-3329

Thanks for your help!

Jody & Ray Hetchka
Kayak Amelia
13030 Heckscher Dr.
Jacksonville FL 32226
mailto:hetchka@mac.com
904-251-0016
 

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